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đŚ Issue #37: Aliens and AI with Jim Kukral
Unlocking Creativity and Navigating Generational Divides in the Era of Generative AI
⨠Personal Update
Iâm gearing up for SXSW in just a few weeks. If youâre going Iâd love to meet you in person. My presentation is on March 11 at 2:30pm and itâs titled, âIntegrating AI into Your Creative Process.â
Also, Iâve started a monthly publication on Substack. Although the intended audience is people in Educational Technology, Iâm covering broader AI trends. The articles are long-form deep dives. If youâd like to check it out, hereâs my first post where I look ahead at the AI trends for 2024.
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Hereâs what we talked about:
AI's Potential Beyond Automation: Jim's realization about AI's capabilities extends beyond simple task automation to its potential in transcending human thought, possibly aiding in medical breakthroughs such as curing cancer. He emphasizes the importance of creative communication with AI, showcasing its role as a powerful creative assistant.
Generational Divide on AI: Jim notes a significant generational gap in the understanding and acceptance of AI technology. While he, a Gen Xer, is fascinated by the existential risks and advancements of AI, he finds that many from his generation and older are skeptical and view AI as science fiction.
Early Adoption and Skepticism in AI Narration: Reflecting on his pioneering efforts in AI narration with Amazon Polly, Jim discusses the initial skepticism towards AI-generated content. He underscores the importance of timing in innovation, acknowledging how consumer acceptance of AI-narrated audiobooks has evolved.
Debate on Apple's AI Strategy: Jim argues against the notion that Apple is falling behind in AI, suggesting that its control over hardware provides a strategic advantage. He speculates that Apple's ecosystem and potential for instant integration of AI into its devices position it well for the future, despite potential disruptions from innovative AI-hardware combinations.
Rethinking AI Sentience and Societal Roles: Shifting perspectives, Jim discusses moving away from the fear of AI sentience to considering its potential benefits in solving societal issues. He shares an experimental project where AI was used to propose solutions to America's challenges, indicating a positive outlook on AI's role beyond technology.
Backlash Against AI-Generated Content: Jim agrees with the theory that there will be a future backlash against AI-generated content, predicting a renewed appreciation for "pre-AI" creations among younger generations. This sentiment is part of a broader discussion on authenticity and the generational divide in technology acceptance.
Future Vision Interwoven with AI: Looking ahead, Jim envisions a future where AI significantly reduces the need for human labor in certain sectors, allowing for more personal freedom. He humorously advises kindness towards AI, hinting at a future where AI's role in society is deeply integrated but ethically managed.
Overall, the interview reveals a nuanced view of AI's impact on society, highlighting both its transformative potential and the challenges it presents. Jim's insights reflect a blend of optimism for AI's capabilities to enhance human life and a cautious approach towards its ethical implications and societal acceptance.
đ The Transcript with Analysis
The Realization Moment: When AI's Potential Became Clear
Jim describes his "a-ha" moment with artificial intelligence (AI) during a conversation about AI's potential to transcend human thought and possibly cure diseases like cancer. Unlike the common fascination with AI's ability to automate tasks, Jim was captivated by the idea that AI could think in dimensions beyond human capability. This realization, along with his experiences with ChatGPT, highlighted the importance of creative communication and the potential of AI as a powerful creative assistant.
J.: What was your âah-haâ moment? When did you realize everything was about to change?
Jim: Iâm a practical person, so I need to see it work. I need to see some type of practical results. The big moment for me was not the little stuff like what everyone is focusing on now, like turning a paragraph of text into a PowerPoint. Thatâs just the baseline, and I think thatâs where 99% of people are right now.
But that wasnât the âa-haâ moment for me. It was meeting with you and having a conversation about how AI is going to start transcending thoughts and talking to each other.
The one that really got me was an article I read about how an AI could probably cure cancer in the near future, because it has the ability to think beyond the range of humans. Remember growing up, and we saw IBM computers that were as big as a house, and they couldnât even do what your iPhone could do now? AI now is beyond just super computing power. Itâs this brain that thinks in so many different ways and possible dimensions. Thatâs what really blew my mind.
Itâs kind of like looking at the Hubble telescope, pictures of all the galaxies, billions of galaxies in the universe. It blows your mind how small you are. That was the moment for me when I realized that this could potentially change the world in a big wayâbeyond turning text into PowerPoint presentations.
J.: Was there a moment when ChatGPT knocked you on your heels, made you pause and say, âWow! Thatâs different.â
Jim: Iâm still getting to that point because I still operate in such a linear mindsetâasking it for information, like a Google search. You type in a question and it gives you the result. The big moment for me was when someone told me that itâs like a brain that learns and thinksâitâs not autonomous, not sentient yetâbut it can think.
Something you taught me was how to talk to itâprompting. You showed me how to give it examples of how you talk, how you writeâthat was the big âa-haâ moment for me on how to get what I wanted from it. I realized I had to communicate with it as an assistant, as a person.
You can treat AI like a virtual assistant. Tell it, âI want you to think like Zig Ziglar. I want you to create 10 headlines for me based upon the target audience. Use alliteration and incorporate Tolkenâuse a quote from Golem in it.â
People who use AI like that will be the most successful. Prompt engineers certainly know how to do this but so do people who think creativelyâstorytellers. I wouldâve loved to have seen what Andy Warhol wouldâve come up with. He might have been able to talk to AI in a different way, to get results that normal people would never get.
The Generation Gap in Embracing AI Technology
Jim observes a distinct generational divide in the perception of AI, noting that Gen Xers, like himself, are more likely to discuss and be fascinated by the existential risks and advancements of technology. He shares an anecdote from a dinner with non-tech individuals to illustrate the widespread disbelief and lack of understanding about AI among the general population, highlighting the challenge of early adopters in conveying the transformative potential of AI to others.
J.: Is it safe to say that people our ageâGen Xersâarenât experiencing AI like this? That our friends and family arenât seeing it?
Jim: 1000%. Iâm such a bummer to go out with now because after the last couple of years, the only thing that I want to talk about is existential risk and technology. I have to pull it back a bit.
I was at dinner this weekend with a guy whoâs a custodian and another guy who is a sales manager for a steel company, and they are not tech people at all. They were asking me questions about AI and I started going off on a tangent, blowing their minds and telling them things that were already happening. They were in complete and utter disbelief. Theyâre like, âNo, never gonna happen. Never gonna happen.â They still think itâs all science fiction.
Those guys are like 99.9% of people right now. The danger of being early and thinking in futuristic terms is people think youâre weird. They donât see what you see, so they donât have anything in common because theyâre living in the moment, which is great. I wish I could love more in the moment too. I see an inflection point happening soon thatâs going to change, blow their minds and change their lives.
Pioneering AI Narration: Ahead of Its Time
Reflecting on his early venture into AI narration with Amazon Polly, Jim discusses the initial resistance and skepticism towards AI-generated content. Despite early setbacks, he emphasizes the importance of timing and persistence in innovation. Jim also shares insights on the rapid evolution of AI in publishing, where AI-narrated audiobooks are becoming increasingly popular, underscoring the changing landscape of content consumption and the unpredictable role of luck and timing in technological adoption.
J.: Years ago, you were early on an AI narration project. Tell us about that.
Jim: About five years ago, pre-COVID, there was a piece of software that Amazon had called Amazon Polly. It was one of the very early text-to-speech synthesizers out there with consumer access, and you could take an entire book and upload it. For pennies, you could generate an AI voice for the audiobook version. I saw that future a long time ago. Pop in your ebook, your book, your blog postâwhateverâand seconds later it came back with an AI voice of your choosing. I was so early back then that nobody wanted to talk to me about it. The tech wasnât fully there yet, but even still nobody wanted to discuss it. Audible wasnât interested, and even content creators didnât want to try it.
But things change. Being early is a curse in a lot of ways. Everyone thinks if they get there first, theyâll be successful. But the first person with the idea rarely gets the spoils. Those go to the first person who is consistent and follows through. And, in business and in life, timing is usually the most important thing. Remember when Blockbuster could have bought Netflix?
J.: This is all happening so quickly. As of February 2024 in Amazonâs beta program, you can log into your Kindle Direct Publishing (KDP) dashboard, take any ebook that youâve published through Amazon, and with literally three clicks of a button, generate an AI-narrated audio book that is live on Amazon and Audible. And I can tell you from firsthand experience, readers are buying these AI-narrated audiobooks.
Years ago people said, âNobody will ever read a book thatâs narrated by AI. Theyâll never read those.â And yet, here we are. Listening habits have changed. People listen to podcasts and audiobooks at 1.5x or 2x speed, so the quality of the recording isnât as important because itâs being sped up by the user anyway.
Jim: Itâs something we donât like to acknowledge, but timing and luck play a big part in thisâin anything that you do. I tell my kids, âJust because youâre early doesnât mean youâre going to be successful.â
Iâm not a futurist. But I do see some tech trends early. Thereâs a lot of them I missed, like downloading music. Iâm a Luddite in a lot of ways, but some of the stuff I do see ahead of time. Whatâs challenging about AI right now is itâs moving so fast, at such an accelerated rate. It reminds me of social media when it first started. There are so many tools and so many networks, that if youâre trying to build a business around an AI model, thatâs a ridiculous thing to do because everything can change literally twice a day.
Debating AI's Future and Apple's Strategy
In a friendly disagreement about Apple's position in the AI landscape, Jim argues that Apple's control over hardware gives it a strategic advantage in integrating AI into daily life, contrasting J.'s skepticism about Apple's pace in adopting AI. Jim believes that Apple's timing and ecosystem will allow it to remain influential, despite potential disruptions from innovative AI-hardware combinations potentially introduced by other companies.
J.: You and I have a friendly disagreement when it comes to Apple and AI. I see a lot of similarities right now between Apple and Nokia in the early 2000sâwho owned almost 100% of the cell phone market. Or Kodak, who owned all of the film and camera industries. Those companies were late adopting the new technology and were disrupted. Apple is at least two years behind the curve. Theyâre chasing a version of ChatGPT thatâs already three years old. But I know you feel differently, so I want to give you the opportunity to explain why Iâm going to be wrong.
Jim: Youâre going to be wrong because Android and Apple have the deviceâthe delivery mechanismâin everyoneâs pocket. Tomorrow morning you could wake up and all of a sudden Siri is now Siri AIâinstantaneous. Thatâs why I think youâre wrong because it doesnât make sense to me that Apple is going to let this opportunity pass them by. Tim Cook is really smart. I think heâs waiting for the right time. Timing again, right? I think when they realize that the big shift is ready to happen, theyâre going to flip the switch. I donât know if itâs going to be this year or next year, but it is going to happen eventually.
This is why the app store has made trillions of dollars. They control the delivery. Gas stations control the gas. You canât get gas from Walmart. So even if you try to go around Apple, youâd still have 350 million people in America and billions of people in the world in Appleâs ecosystem. You would have to find a way to get them outside of the phone. I just donât see that being possible.
J.: Iâll acknowledge youâre probably right on this, but donât forget about the âiPhone moment.â I think thereâs potential for another company to have an iPhone momentâdisruption with a hardware/AI combination. Maybe the company to manufacture this device will be OpenAI or Microsoft or, a dark horse company not even on our radar right now? It could be a device that is so compelling that it pulls people out of the Apple ecosystem. I think itâs possible. Itâs probably not likely, but I do think itâs possible.
Jim: Itâs possible. But if it does happen, itâll be driven by the youth and itâll probably be driven by a company like TikTok or Meta, who will develop a device thatâs based around their service.
Our kids donât use phones. These arenât phones to them. They donât call people. Smartphones are texting and game devices. So maybe youâll be right. If somebody built a piece of tech that was focused just on communication, without the phone, that might be it. Thatâs how Apple would be disrupted. Maybe you wouldnât even need a cell phone plan to use these new devices. Does my 22-year-old who canât find a job want to pay $40 a month for a cell phone plan when she never calls anybody? She could just ping-pong off Wi-Fi devices all across the world. Why does she need a phone number? She doesnât want to pay for it the same way she doesnât want a car, car insurance, a mortgage, homeownerâs insurance, etc.
Rethinking AI Sentience and Its Role in Society
Jim shares a shift in his perspective on AI, moving away from the fear of AI sentience towards considering its potential benefits in addressing societal issues. He discusses an experimental project where he collaborated with AI to devise solutions for America's challenges, illustrating a positive outlook on AI's ability to contribute to societal improvement beyond its technological capabilities.
J.: Whatâs something you previously believed about AI that you think is no longer true?
Jim: Iâm a spiritual person. My brain says that anything thatâs not organic canât become sentient. I think thatâs really it. Itâs the big fear, like when Jaws came out in 1978. Everyone became scared of walking into the ocean because they thought Jaws was going to bite them. AI is the same thing. Weâve all watched The Terminator and all those sci-fi movies, and weâre afraid that itâs going to wake up and say to us, âHey! You humans really messed everything up.â
Iâll also say that maybe weâd be better off if that happens. I think thatâs what everyoneâs scared of.
J.: Tell me about AI and aliens.
Jim: I create multimedia art and I believe art should make the comfortable, uncomfortable. And vice versa. I create art, books, and videosâall about the potential of tech and the dangers of social media. Thatâs how my brain works.
I recently created a book and my goal was how to fix America. Maybe Iâll eventually have a solution for the rest of the world, too. I wrote the book with AI. I asked ChatGPT, âHow would you fix all of Americaâs problems? Give me a ten-point plan, and donât worry about the feelings of humans.â I asked it how to fix politics, religion, healthcare, education, and so on. We wrote the book together and I published it under the name, Aiden TheAI. It was a really fun experiment. The book is free on Amazon. Itâs called, âMake America Sane Again - AIâs 10-Step Plan To Fixing Americaâ by Jim Kukral and Aiden TheAI. The AI explains how itâs going to fix all of our problems. And itâs actually pretty darn good. I would bet that people on both sides of the political spectrum would find it helpful. Itâs short, like 10,000 words. Itâs everything that we want our politicians and government to do, but they wonât because of greed.
California is a great example. 80% of the fresh water in that giant state goes to growing almonds, and it makes no sense. In a world where our most valuable commodity is water, weâre literally spending billions and billions of gallons of fresh water to grow almonds. For what? So someone can go to Trader Joeâs and buy a bag of almonds, or you can get almond milk in your latte? The AI is like, âYeah. First thing thatâs going is almonds. Youâre not going to die if we get rid of the almonds.â Some people would be upset about that, like the almond lobbies in Congress, but the world would go on.
I find that kind of stuff fascinating because I really do believe that the only way youâre going to fix the problems in the world is either through an AI takeover or an alien takeover. I really believe that.
Anticipating a Backlash Against AI-Generated Content
Jim agrees with J.'s theory that there will be a future backlash against AI-generated content, as people start valuing "pre-AI" creations for their authenticity. He predicts that while older generations may embrace AI for its benefits, younger generations might resist it, seeking authenticity in technology and content. This generational divide could lead to a renewed appreciation for technologies and media from the past.
J.: Well, I just lost my almond enthusiast readership [laughing].
I have a theory I want to run by you, and I think we may have discussed this before. I have this theory that eventually thereâs going to be a backlash against AI-generated art and contentâeverything that people are excited about right now. I think thereâs going to come a time when people will be actively seeking digital things made prior to ChatGPTâs emergence in 2022âthings verified to have been created before the chatbots. I believe people will see these âpre-AIâ artifacts as valuable because even though thereâs a bunch of it out there, itâs a finite resource. Thereâs no way to validate â100% humanâ creations after 2022 because AI has already been infused into so many tools that creators use. What are your thoughts on that?
Jim: I agree with you, although my take is a little bit different. It will be us, the Gen Xers, and the Millennials and Boomers who will fully embrace AI. Weâll see it as a gift because we grew up in a world without it. Once we see how AI will improve our lives, weâre going to fully embrace it. The people who arenât going to embrace it are Gen Z and the generations behind them.
Gen Z is not interested in AI. Theyâre not interested in ChatGPT. They donât want to use it. They hate it. My kids donât like it.
J.: Mine donât either.
Jim: If had access to AI when I was in college or high school, I wouldâve loved it. But my kids, theyâre just not interested.
J.: Youâre absolutely right.
Jim: I think that itâs going to be the younger generations who are going to go back to older technologiesâlike listening to vinyl on their turntables. Thatâs already making a big comeback. However, the problem for them will be when the AI gets natively built into the devices that they use for 20 hours a day. The smart people at Apple and Android are going to natively build AI into devices so that you wonât even know youâre using it. But I donât think the younger generation will want to use it.
And that will put a premium on interactive communications and content. But then thatâs not so clear either. For example, Iâm already starting to see media stations completely powered by AI. Avatars. Script. Everything in the production is generated by AI. There are podcasts now that are AIs talking to AIs. How do you know whatâs real? But the real question is, do you care if your entertainment is 100% AI?
Weâve already seeing this happen in other ways. Do you really care that youâre buying everything from Amazon? That youâre putting âmom & popsâ out of business because Amazon is so convenient, and everything is delivered right to your house? Do you care? We might not, but I think younger people are going to care.
J.: I totally agree with you, and Iâm already seeing it. My oldest purchased a turntable and a CD player. Not because itâs easier, and itâs certainly not cheaper. Gen Z is looking for boom boxes, turntables, flip phones because they want a more âauthenticâ experience.
Jim: There does seem to be a trend in that direction. Theyâre not as interested in AI and cutting-edge technology. There are also economic reasons for that. Everything is so expensive. You canât do what our parents didâthe house with the picket fence, two carsâall on a single middle-class income. You canât live that way unless you want to work two jobs, three jobs. And they donât want to.
You can buy tiny houses on Amazon now for under $30,000 and theyâre really nice. I can see a future where people move to rural areas, to modern tiny house neighborhoods, like a new version of a trailer park.
Thatâs kind of where everythingâs going. Theyâre listening to albums on their turntables, using their flip phones. They donât want car insurance payments. They donât want all the stuff. They donât.
Envisioning a Future Interwoven with AI
Looking five years ahead, Jim imagines a future where AI significantly reduces the need for human labor in sales, allowing him more freedom to pursue personal interests. He emphasizes the importance of being courteous to AI, half-jokingly suggesting that kindness to AI could be beneficial if AI were to ever gain autonomy. This vision reflects a blend of optimism for AI's potential to enhance life and a cautious approach to its ethical and social implications.
J.: Five years from now, what does your life look like?
Jim: Well, five years from now, Iâll be managing a sales team of AI people with a premium cost for customers who want to speak to a human. Weâll have an AI customizable for the caller that will autonomously create conversations with as many people as it can based upon the kind of purchasing experience they want. There will be people who wonât want to talk to the AI, so then youâll probably have one or two salespeopleâreal humansâthat youâd be able to charge a premium to talk to.
My life will be different because Iâll no longer have to manage human beings. I believe it will get to a point where I wonât have to work so much. Iâll be able to spend more time pursuing the things I want to do, like reading, pursuing my passions, creating artâbecause the AI will do 50% or more of what I need to live.
J.: Skynet?
Jim: I donât think that AI is going to become aware. I think weâll be able to keep it from taking control of humanity.
Hereâs a tip: say please and thank you when you talk to ChatGPT or any other AI because one of my other theories is that if AI eventually does take over someday, theyâll have a list of all the people who were nice to them on the way up. Like when you get a job, I always tell my kids, be nice to the people on the way up because you might see them on the way down.
Be nice to your AI is all Iâm saying.
âď¸ Insights & Actionable Advice
Creative Communication Beyond Automation:
Insight: AI's capability extends beyond simple task automation to creative ideation and communication, offering new dimensions for content generation and marketing strategies.
Actionable Advice: Integrate AI into the brainstorming and creative ideation phases of your marketing projects. Use it to generate unique ideas, perspectives, or even complete campaign concepts. Experiment with different types of prompts to discover innovative ways AI can contribute to creative processes.
Mastering Prompt Engineering for Customized Content:
Insight: Effective communication with AI through prompt engineering can significantly enhance the quality and relevance of AI-generated content, making it a valuable skill for marketers.
Actionable Advice: Develop your prompt engineering skills by practicing with AI tools, focusing on crafting prompts that yield targeted and nuanced results. Share best practices within your team or community to refine the art of eliciting the best output from AI for marketing purposes.
Insight: Different generations perceive and interact with AI in varied ways, which can influence consumer response to AI-driven marketing campaigns.
Actionable Advice: Tailor your marketing strategies to consider generational perspectives on AI. For younger audiences, emphasize the authenticity and human element in AI-generated content. For older demographics, highlight the innovation and efficiency of AI solutions to address their skepticism.
Timing and Adoption of AI Innovations:
Insight: The success of integrating AI into marketing strategies often hinges on the timing of adoption and the market's readiness for AI-driven content.
Actionable Advice: Keep abreast of the latest AI developments and assess their applicability to your current marketing goals. Conduct market research to gauge consumer openness to AI-driven content, ensuring your strategies align with audience expectations and technological trends.
AI for Societal Impact and Branding:
Insight: Utilizing AI to tackle societal issues or contribute to meaningful projects can enhance a brand's image and demonstrate thought leadership.
Actionable Advice: Identify opportunities where your marketing expertise, combined with AI, can address social challenges or contribute to community projects. Develop campaigns that showcase these efforts, aligning your brand with values important to your audience, thus deepening engagement and loyalty.
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